Archbishop says church must ‘join its enemies on their knees’

Resorting to violence denies the possibility of redemption

Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby spoke April 10 during the Reclaiming the Gospel of Peace: An Episcopal Gathering to Challenge the Epidemic of Violence. Photo: Lynette Wilson/ENS

Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby spoke April 10 during the Reclaiming the Gospel of Peace: An Episcopal Gathering to Challenge the Epidemic of Violence. Photo: Lynette Wilson/ENS

[Editors’ note: a correction was made to this article to remove reference to the location of the mass grave where Welby said he had been told Christians were murdered out fear that they might become homosexual because of Western influence.]

[Episcopal News Service – Oklahoma City, Oklahoma] Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby said April 10 that “the gospel of peace is reclaimed by loving those who love violence and hatred” and that a church committed to peacemaking “looks like those who join their enemies on their knees.”

“We celebrate the fact that as the Anglican Communion functioning as a community of peace across the world, as it does in so many places so wonderfully with such sacrifices, that it manages disagreement well in many places, that it maintains unity across diametrically opposed views on a matter – that that Anglican Communion to which we belong could be the greatest gift to counter violence of all descriptions in our world,” Welby said.

Welby spoke during the April 9-11 Reclaiming the Gospel of Peace: An Episcopal Gathering to Challenge the Epidemic of Violence being held at the Reed Center and the nearby Sheraton Midwest City here.

He said what is sought is a church “that bears the cross, that is so caught up in Jesus Christ and its relationship with Jesus Christ that it is drawn inexorably in partnership with the poor and pilgrimage alongside them, sharing the surprises and risks of the journey under the leadership of Jesus Christ.”

“We do not see such churches today on a global scale, although they may be found in many places at a local level,” he said. “To turn this into a national [phenomenon] such a great and huge nation as this, let alone a global phenomenon, is humanly impossible. We find it easier to be caught up in our own disputes and our own rights.”

It must be acknowledged that human beings are inclined towards violence, Welby told the gathering. “Violence is intrinsic to being human, and I have to say in particular to being human and male, or human and powerful, over against minorities of all kinds,” he said. “Moreover it is addictive, violence is addictive, and we become hardened to it.”

But, God “is committed to acting in response to wrongdoing” and is a God who judges but also saves, “giving of God’s own self to make an opportunity for rescue,” the archbishop said.

Thus, “the resort to violence is always the denial of the possibility of redemption,” he added. “And since in our hearts we believe in redemption as Christians, an early resort to violence denies the very heart of our faith.”

However, he said, Holy Week’s anticipation of Easter shows a different way.

“It is in accompanying Jesus on the long walk through Holy Week to the cross that we will find ourselves bound together afresh and love released,” Welby said. “The love will be such that we cannot imagine unless we turn to Christ in repentance, seeking to be those who challenge and overcome the violence that he himself bore for us on the cross. It will be a love that comes to reclaim in ourselves and in our communities the gospel of peace.”

The text of his speech is here.

Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby and Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts  Schori respond to questions during an April 10 press conference. Photo: Lynette Wilson/ENS

Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby and Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts
Schori respond to questions during an April 10 press conference. Photo: Lynette Wilson/ENS

At a later press conference with Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori and Diocese of Oklahoma Bishop Edward Konieczny, Welby was asked about comments he made April 4 when he told a British radio call-in show that that Christians in parts of Africa face abuse, violence and even death because of decisions on sexual equality made by Anglican Churches in the West. His answer came in response to a question from the Rev. Kes Grant, a Church of England priest and school chaplain who had called in to ask why English clergy were not allowed to decide for themselves whether to marry gay couples.

“Why we can’t do it now is because the impact of that on Christians in countries far from here like South Sudan, like Pakistan, like Nigeria, would be absolutely catastrophic and we have to love them as much as the people who are here,” Welby said.

Welby explained that while standing at a mass grave he was told that the excuse given for the murder of hundreds of Christians there had been: “If we leave a Christian community in this area, we will all be made to become homosexual, and so we’re going to kill the Christians.”

Welby concluded, “The mass grave had 369 bodies in it and I was standing with the relatives. That burns itself into your soul, as does the suffering of gay people in this country.”

During the news conference, Welby noted that he had made similar comments in the past and that he was trying to say that “at its heart is the issue that we’re a global church.”

“The Anglican Communion is a global church.  And that wherever we speak, whether it’s here or in Africa, or in Asia or in any of the 143 countries in which we are operating, in which there are Anglicans, we never speak exclusively to ourselves but we speak in a way that is heard widely around the world,” he said. “And so the point I was making, because the question was essentially about why don’t we just go ahead and do gay marriages, we have a profound disagreement within the Church of England about the right thing to do, whether to perform gay marriages or have blessing of same sex marriages where the marriage has taken place in the civil system.”

Same-sex marriage became legal in England and Wales on March 29. Parliament by a comfortable majority passed The Marriage (Same-sex Couples Act) in July 2013.

The Church of England is “starting two years of facilitated conversation about this and we are not going simply to jump to a conclusion, to preempt that conversation in any direction at all but we need to spend time listening to each other, listening to the voices around the communion,” Welby said.

The example he gave during the call-in program of his experience at the site of the mass grave “was of a particular example some years back which had had a great impact on my own thinking,” he said during the news conference.

Earlier in the day when the archbishop spoke to the entire gathering, he said he and his wife Caroline stood alongside a mass grave in Bor, South Sudan, where the bodies of clergy and lay South Sudanese people were buried in what he has described as a massacre influenced by western acceptance for same-sex marriage.

“I think we need to be aware of the realities on the ground in our own countries and around the world and to take those into account when we are moving forward,” Welby said during the news conference.

“It doesn’t necessarily mean you do something other than you feel is the right thing to do but you are aware of the need perhaps to do it in a different way,” he continued. “It means particularly in these conversations that we have to make sure that we hear the voice of the LGBT community, which themselves in many parts of the world, including in our own countries suffer a great deal, and we also need to hear very carefully the voices of other members of the church, of other faiths, of ecumenical partners, so that it is a genuine process of listening and in listening to each to listening to the voice of God.”

A video clip of Welby’s comments at the news conference is here.

Welby came to the United States April 9 from Canada where he had spent four days meeting with Anglican leaders. Towards the end of that visit, Welby sat down for an interview with the Anglican Journal during which he also addressed his April 4 comments in a similar vein.

“One of the things that’s most depressing about the response to that interview is that almost nobody listened to what I said; they mostly imagined what they thought I said…It was not only imagination, it was a million miles away from what I said,” he added.

Both the Canadian and U.S. visits, which Lambeth Palace has said are “primarily personal and pastoral,” are part of the archbishop’s plan to visit the leader of every Anglican Communion province by the end of this year. Details about his other such visits thus far are here.

— The Rev. Mary Frances Schjonberg and Lynette Wilson are editors/reporters for the Episcopal News Service.

Comments

  1. Jeremy Bates says:

    If only the founders of The Episcopal Church, many of whom had just fought a revolution, and risked their lives, to free themselves from London’s control, could hear this misleading rhetoric….

    “The Anglican Communion is a global church.”

    This is false! The Anglican Communion is a global family of independent churches.

    Perhaps the Archbishop has self-aggrandizing reasons to say that the Communion is a global church. After all, if that were so, he would be a leading candidate for pope.

    But that doesn’t make his statement true.

    • Perhaps the “Anglican Communion” can be seen in terms of the Eastern Orthodox Church. That church is comprised of many autocephalous (independent) churches with a primate over each national church. Hence, the Greek Orthodox Church, Russian Orthodox Church, Serbian Orthodox Church, Romanian Orthodox Church, etc. share the same faith and ecclesiastical polity and are in communion with each other. All Eastern Orthodox primates are equals. However, the Patriarch of Constantinople is given “primacy of honor”. Seems much like the Anglican Communion to me with the Archbishop of Canterbury enjoying “primacy of honor”.

  2. Glenn Horton-Smith says:

    Put plainly, it seems Archbishop of Canturbury Justin Welby is telling us that he believes that acceptance of same-sex relationships in our church is somehow connected, if only in the minds of the killers, to at least one mass murder in Africa, and that he believes African Christians would be further endangered if the Church of England were to quickly move forward on same-sex marriage.

    I can believe that the archbishop was told an excuse for the killing that involved some connection of Christianity to homosexuality in the minds of the killers. I have little confidence that he or anyone understands the minds of the killers well enough to know whether there would have been less killing if there had been less acceptance, slower acceptance, or no acceptance in our church. I have no confidence in the idea that lives can be saved by delaying sexual equality in the Church of England.

    The process of Jewish emancipation in the 19th and 20th centuries was about as slow and as widely discussed as anything could be, and throughout that time there were pogroms and other acts of mass violence against them which grew to become the worst imaginable. I don’t see how the archbishop can be sure that a slower process is better. It seems to me at least as likely that the longer the question is undecided, the worse the violence could get.

    Perhaps I just don’t comprehend the nature of violence. Certainly I don’t understand the archbishop’s statement that “violence is intrinsic to being human.”

  3. Selena Smith says:

    I agree that saying the “Anglican Communion is a global church,” is a mistake. Nowhere in ECUSA Constitution and Canons does it say ECUSA belongs to a global church. Nowhere in the instruments of communion does the Anglican Communion define itself as a global church. Another denomination like the Roman Catholic Church may define itself as that. In fairness to Archbishop Welby, his background is that of a corporate executive for an oil company. He brings a prior business experience regarding power and its structure that may always influence his views on church, society and the world; however, that does not mean his view is correct.

    Praying for the Archbishop, for those who have suffered violence, and for those who suffer violence because of failure of lay and clerical church leaders not only to speak for peace but also to act in ways that lessen violence and promote peace.

  4. Julian Malakar says:

    “Anglican Communion is a global church,” if we believe what we say every Sunday while reciting The Nicene Creed. We say “We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church” as we believe in one God. Catholic means universal, inclusive of diversified nationality. Roman Catholic is universal Church under Pope headquarter in Rome. But Anglican Catholic is universal Church inclusive of all nationality 143 countries of the world as Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby said. Denying Catholicism means denying our creed.

    God’s kingdom does not have any political boundaries segregated by color, rich and poor

  5. Jeremy Bates says:

    Really? The one church referred to in the Creeds is the Anglican Communion? Please tell us more.

  6. As a gay man of God and member of the Episcopal Church I find myself at odds with our Anglican brothers and sisters who have not learned anything which the Episcopal Church has gone through and still our so called leaders still drag their theological feet in accepting the full equality which all men and women have in spite of age, sexuality, color or any other division we as humans can come up with to keep someone other than ourselves inferior to ourselves.

    The reason is not other people in other lands who kill each other. It is those who wish to use that as an excuse for holding the process of equality among their own people at bay. So it is up to each member church to do the right thing. And I will take this opportunity to ask our Presiding Bishop how much longer must we wait in the Episcopal Church for full sacramental equality?

    It is really pathetic that our civil government has surpassed a church which claims a direct line to Jesus, Himself to attain equality for all. I guess as long as we vote for the haters in the church that is what we will get. What a shame. For all those out there who are reading these words please do not make the same mistakes the Episcopal Church has made and continues to make. No one else is Lord but Jesus!

    As always,
    John-Albert Dickert
    Christ Church Cathedral-Cincinnati,Ohio

  7. Steven Lee says:

    In a nutshell (no pun intended): People shouldn’t get married if they can’t STAY married!

  8. Steven Lee says:

    Marriage is not the be all end all! Clergy have every right to say “NO” to homosexual marriages, and if the couple involves doesn’t like it, they can go to another church!

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